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May 15, 2023

Primer: Trust, Users and Delivery with Mark Stanley

Our interview with the head of Probation Digital at the Ministry of Justice

In our latest episode of Primer, we sit down with Mark Stanley, head of  Probation Digital at the Ministry of Justice.

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Mark studied law and became a barrister, drawn to the humanity exposed in criminal cases. However, he found it difficult to make a living in this field and moved into commercial law, where he “lost my passion”.

He found a new calling in government, where he was given the brief of operationalising GDS as its first Head of Agile, launched DfE’s flagship digital Apprenticeships Service and now leads the delivery of the digital Probation portfolio at MoJ.

We’ve had the pleasure of working with Mark for nearly 10 years now in all of these roles, and there’s a lot to learn in this interview:

  • How trust can be given, rather than earned
  • Why empowerment is essential for agile ways-of-working
  • Why government struggles to focus on end users, and
  • Why digital is the business, not just a supplier to it